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I posted this yesterday, but the volume was too low, so now it's been raised.
On February, April 19, 2019, I debated Marxist philosopher Slavoj Zizek in Toronto, April 19 at the Sony Centre. Dr. Zizek is a Slovenian philosopher and professor at the Institute for Sociology and Philosophy at the University of Ljubljana, whose works on cultural studies, psychoanalysis and, above all, for the purposes of our debate, Marxism, are world-renowned. The topic? Happiness: Marxism vs Capitalism. This is the official video. Many bootlegs have already been released, but that seems inevitable given our current state of technological capability.
I started with a critique of The Communist Manifesto, which is the central revolutionary document of the Marxist movement (rather than addressing, say, Zizek's work, which wasn't what the debate was about).
It wasn't so obvious for the rest of the discussion that Marxism, per se, comprised the central topic of discussion.
Watch for yourself.
A good article, I think, on Zizek: www.iep.utm.edu/zizek/#H2

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Orphan of Kos
Orphan of Kos پیش ساعت
i cant even listen to zizek talk with that aggresive lisp
Diska Kurniawan
Diska Kurniawan پیش ساعت
First time I watch this, im high af on weed, it changed my political view. Now I'm sober and it can still changes my political view. What a nice debate. What's not nice is the audience tho.
Kirby Quinn
Kirby Quinn پیش ساعت
comments extra gay on this one
Perc Saturn
Perc Saturn پیش 2 ساعت
Tl;Dw Peterson won
dedosdigital
dedosdigital پیش 2 ساعت
Slobbov Sneezek
guy
guy پیش 3 ساعت
Only good points were made for the entirety of the conversation. Interesting the hecklers had nothing to object to once the conversation actually got interesting, when they could directly respond in real time. They should do some podcasts.
Adiebob
Adiebob پیش 3 ساعت
“Thus Heaven I’ve forfeited, I know it full well…My soul, once true to God, is chosen for Hell.” -Karl Marx, The Pale Maiden
RooTcas
RooTcas پیش 6 ساعت
Best 2 people on the planet
Cats 2079
Cats 2079 پیش 7 ساعت
Very confused why peterson is talking about happiness.... His entire worldview is opposed to it.
DoomLegion83
DoomLegion83 پیش 12 ساعت
This is typically leftist marxist tactic: tell me one, name me this, it is dumb to even answer to this. Kill off the discussion at this point.
DoomLegion83
DoomLegion83 پیش 12 ساعت
Zizek is wrong in "the will to change society". They have the will. And its not to be made up on one person, its about the "culture". Zizek is a downtalking idiot and he discredits himself. its horrible to listen to him in the questions section.
19UME026 Aniket Biswas
19UME026 Aniket Biswas پیش 13 ساعت
1:51:00
Robert Zheng
Robert Zheng پیش 14 ساعت
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Marius Oană
Marius Oană پیش 15 ساعت
The Slovenian is improperly dressed for such an event, his socks are way too short, his English does not suit his intellectual magnitude...
Scepter
Scepter پیش 16 ساعت
15:15
gvss sudheer
gvss sudheer پیش 16 ساعت
How is happiness a product of action? Isn't it action itself bondage? Also, isn't one is happy in deep sleep needing nothing? Then how is deep sleep which is abode of happiness, a state of action? In Indian Philosophy called Purva Mimamsa ( Philosophy of action), this is considered. And refuted strongly in the Bhagavad Gita. Please do read Chapter 3 of Gita along with Shankaracharya commentary.
bigD bob
bigD bob پیش 17 ساعت
Zizek doing Soo much coke, his nose is constantly running
IAm Heck
IAm Heck پیش 18 ساعت
Zizek pretty based tho
boohacker
boohacker پیش روز
Two very smart men. If you want confirmation that communism could work you won't find it here...
Mark Smith
Mark Smith پیش روز
Zizeks praise of China is looking a bit suspect now. Loved this talk though.
GabeDoesThings
GabeDoesThings پیش 32 دقیقه
He says in the debate itself that he doesn't praise China... You may want to rewatch the second half
JakeDotCom
JakeDotCom پیش روز
Was not expecting Zizek to get up for his opening statement and unironically say both that communist countries are worse polluters than capitalists and that Chem trails are a massive threat to humanity 😂
Praveen Sharma
Praveen Sharma پیش روز
Near-genius conversation.
Outdoor Escapades
Outdoor Escapades پیش روز
Jordan! My good man. Please, if you haven’t already, read more into Platonism and Neo-Platonism. These ethics you are recognizing in Judeo-Christianity stem from the Platonic tradition. Any grain of goodness within the Bible is ripped off from so-called “pagans”. This is why you see such a stark difference between the doctrine of the OT and NT. Whereas the OT talks about a chosen people and the ordering of them to slay all whom they come across: “I will send my fear before thee, and will destroy all the people to whom thou shalt come, and I will make all thine enemies turn their backs unto thee.” Exodus 23:27 The NT takes a more “god is love” approach and talks of the need to liken ourselves unto the Good as much as possible before death.
Lasse
Lasse پیش روز
Asberger, Tourette ... nice discussion
James T
James T پیش روز
Is zizek talking through a walkie talkie?
Aaron Beauchamp
Aaron Beauchamp پیش روز
Isn't "Marxist Philosopher" an oxy moron? My experience is "ideologue" should come right after Marxist.....at least that applies to 99% of the ones I've debated with. "Capitalism is tyrannical. Marxism offers equality and is merciful and just......never mind the 10's of millions of people who suffered and died while this "theory" was being tested out.........that's not Marx's fault!" That's pretty much the crux of my experience with Marxists.
Post Deliberately
Post Deliberately پیش روز
@Aaron Beauchamp: Have you read both volumes of Marx’s Das Kapital? Marx was heavily influence by Hegel. So maybe also check out Hegel’s Phänomenologie des Geistes. Hegel is considered to be a significant philosopher in the western canon. If you have read these books and still find Marx to be shallow, then okay. Marx can have depth to him and still be wrong or worthless, but most people think it was just the Manifesto and that’s it. I am a trained philosopher - as in I have a PhD in philosophy and teach it at the university level. And in order to understand Marx, one needs to understand Hegel, and Hegel is no easy pill to swallow. And Zizek is not a devotee of Marx, he is an expert on Marx’s theory. Das Kapital is over 2,000 pages. Either way, to each one’s own. Take care!
Aaron Beauchamp
Aaron Beauchamp پیش روز
@Post Deliberately I've never called myself a philosopher, but I can be philosophical when required. Examining Marxism led me to see that the theory was not deeply thought out ( in regards to its real validity and usefulness). I would go so far to say it's completely oblivious to every day reality. Aren't philosophers, by nature, deep thinkers? Point? The majority of Marxists I have encountered seem to not have examined their beliefs very deeply......most of what I get are common slogans and regurgitated rhetoric. So my point stands....."philosopher" is not an apt descriptor. "Ideologue" works much better. Anybody who truly examines the tenets of Marxism - with intellectual honesty - will see what an utter load of crap it is, and not worth exerting any more intellectual energy to it.
Post Deliberately
Post Deliberately پیش روز
Zizek is a philosopher who is one of the premiere experts of Marxist theory or Marxism. Marxist philosopher is another way of saying a philosopher of Marxism. A Kantian philosopher is not one who believes everything Kant says to be true but a philosopher of Kant.
sam b1t
sam b1t پیش روز
Can someone tell me the name of the book Zizek references at 2:16:48
Outdoor Escapades
Outdoor Escapades پیش روز
I think it is rubbish how they talk about Christ’s moment of atheism on the cross. The supposed son of GOD doubts the divine due to his mortal suffering? That doesn’t sound like a truly divine being. Socrates went out in a more inspiring manner. Yes, he wasn’t tortured, but he was condemned on the basis of false judgement, just like christ, and right before his death he gave a lecture on the immortality of the soul and how he was not afraid to die because it wasn’t the death of his soul, but only the thing which encumbers and traps his soul. The Bible is follicle in so many ways, and the words of the ancient sages are far more inspiring than those found in that book of the vengeful, wrathful, and jealous “god”.
Dani the Mayqueen
Dani the Mayqueen پیش روز
Imagine taking Peterson serious after this.
Oli Lacey
Oli Lacey پیش روز
Whys that?
Christopher Meisner
Christopher Meisner پیش روز
Peterson - Deconstructs, analyzes, contemplates, criticizes, respects and answers. Zizek - Pouts and calls for "revolution" What a pompous jerk.
schmiddes Werban
schmiddes Werban پیش روز
Peterson: doesn't even read one volume of Marxist theory -gets on stage demanding entry fee for a debate on the topic. Peterson is a pseudointerlectual conman. A conspiracy theorist vomiting his monocausal patterns of "explaination" into every face he finds. If you can watch this debate and think that he is an honest player you can't be helped.
ekardnamable
ekardnamable پیش 2 روز
Was very impressed with Zizek's critique toward the very end of the debate of Peterson's emphasis on putting one's own house in order, viz that what seems like a simple matter of individual conscience may yet be determined by ideology. The point about Suzuki and Japanese imperialism, and Himmler's devotion to the Baghavad Gita gave me pause. One of the few direct responses in the debate, and in the context of Peterson rehearsing his strongest material.
Cristoffer
Cristoffer پیش 2 روز
And now with the Covid 19 and the shut downs, and vaccines. Perhaps, try and see if the medication for astma, Pulmicort, if that have a positive result on people with Sars Cov2 that causes Covid 19. And let's see if some will blaim any breakdowns in the economy on Covid 19. And remeber the word Saturation, debt saturation.
Cristoffer
Cristoffer پیش 2 روز
It would have been interesting if some of them, Mr Peterson or Zizek, had mentioned Fractional Reserve Banking. Also if Zizek could have explained what the word Anti Semitism really means. And who created it and why, for example. Who are you supposed to be anti, and why? Also, who gave Theodor Herzl some money, and the wrtings of Theodor Herzl. Another thing, regarding refugees and so called populist, are all migrant movements/refugee movements natural? It would also have been good to mention that wall street, and others, helped finance the revolution in Russia, and also the National Socialists in Germany. Was that for ideological reasons perhaps? Then the knife in the back. Then money from Russia, after the revolution, wnt through Estonia and Sweden and then to Wall Street, City of London... Telecom infrastructure is important, without that you can't transfer money for example, and the military and intelligence services like the former KGB, Gestapo or the CIA...CIA yes, needs it, aswell as the FBI. Who controls the Telecom infrastructure in many countries around the world? And is it so maybe, that Israel custom/takes toll on goods from example Africa that is transported that way into the Middle East/Eurasia. Who wanted the so called Jewish state to be placed exactly there... Also, did Ben Gurion have some owners interest in the bank that helped building some labour/internation camps? Either he did, or he did not. What Evacuation where the politicians talking about in Germany, evacuation. How come that so called hasidic jews in Israel say that the others are not jews, could that be classified as anti semitism too, btw? Does control of natural resources, general means of payment and the flow of natural resources, that needs a telecom infrastructure too, matter? Could some nations perhaos have wanted to be in control of that themselves, not letting for example a private interest control it for them? Knife in the back again...
JP Ruiz
JP Ruiz پیش 2 روز
It's actually really fitting that Peterson has only read Manifesto at two points in his life, when he was 18 and to prepare for this debate. Goes to show how little attention he really paid to the words in front of him; when he basically says that "Marx say proletariat good and bourgeoisie bad and that's a lil' simple dontcha think????" and his fans clap, I wanted to open up my Manifesto on the section about the bourgeoisie's revolutionary character and lob it at my computer screen. I guess that's what happens when you're convinced Marxism is when college students don't want to get a job or something.
noah wiley
noah wiley پیش 2 روز
Bro Jordan Peterson is such an idiot humans used to shit in their drinking water in the Paleolithic age too that don’t mean it’s human nature
noah wiley
noah wiley پیش 2 روز
If Jordan Peterson was alive in 1840 he would’ve said that we should have slaves because it’s human nature we’ve always had slaves it just a reality of humanity and it helps keep us going
E Pang
E Pang پیش 3 روز
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Matt Jarvie
Matt Jarvie پیش روز
The ergot of the day is the Bisquick of the night.
Marek Nosek
Marek Nosek پیش 3 روز
Zizek is a form of crappy communist! Trying to make his bones on Jordan Peterson's back.
Mary Owens
Mary Owens پیش 3 روز
Praising Chinese communist party has not aged well.
František Jabůrek
František Jabůrek پیش 3 روز
im still salty it was not a rap battle >:(
Socrates
Socrates پیش 3 روز
This was amazing !!!
Ryd Scheer
Ryd Scheer پیش 3 روز
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I-am-Veritas
I-am-Veritas پیش 3 روز
*Fun Fact: The UN Charter is almost identical to the Communist Manifesto.* Please look up both and compare.
dedosdigital
dedosdigital پیش 2 ساعت
A difference , the Manifesto's god is Marx , the UN's Lucifer .
I-am-Veritas
I-am-Veritas پیش 3 روز
If Zizek and his Marxist "comrades" had their way most of the people reading this would be killed. Evil does not exist in nature besides in the hearts of people like Zizek and fellow Marxists. How could any actual sane person defend and suggest Marxist Communism as a good thing? Absolutely mind boggling. Karl Marx was a mean disgusting racist responsible for some of the most atrocious acts committed by and onto human beings in recorded history.
Felix Garcia
Felix Garcia پیش 3 روز
Educate yourself or at least watch the video unbiased
SuperInthenight
SuperInthenight پیش 4 روز
this focus on the individual, to "put your house in order", "you will be happy and even achieve success" it's the typical capitalist bullshit ergo consequence: "If you are not successful is because you did not make enough effort". Not everybody has the same chances, luck or motivation.
SuperInthenight
SuperInthenight پیش 4 روز
2021, Peterson is still trying to find the name of one marxist...
Karl Marx
Karl Marx پیش 2 روز
@eeeezypeezy lol
eeeezypeezy
eeeezypeezy پیش 3 روز
@Karl Marx Cuz Wolff would hold his feet to the fire about all the basic mistakes he makes when he describes Marx's political economy. Zizek is happy to keep it airy and intellectual and focus on their areas of agreement.
Karl Marx
Karl Marx پیش 3 روز
@Ron Richard Wolff. I have no clue why he didn’t debate him lmao
Ron
Ron پیش 3 روز
Who was that guy he was too scared to debate?
S M
S M پیش 4 روز
They both got good point but i would agree with JP more bc, he is right. In order to fix big problem you should know how to fix your household. It's those small things that actually make big changes. The idea of the butterfly effect. where the small things that actually add up to big changes. Plus u don't get to jump levels. You fixed the smallest issues first before going global. Beside how could you possible worry about the world when your own world is in chaos.
jmgwkster
jmgwkster پیش 4 روز
Both of these men have the wrong understanding of Jesus Christ's words from the cross. They speak from their bias without seeking true understanding. They could benefit from studying what Scott Hahn had to say. Jesus was a Rabbi using a common teaching technique, quoting one part of a Psalm to represent the whole. He was referring to Psalm 22.
Felix Garcia
Felix Garcia پیش 3 روز
If you believe in god i dont even know why you are watching this video
Baltzar Bonbeck
Baltzar Bonbeck پیش 4 روز
Can the audience stop shouting at everything it's so annoying
JOHAN BJÖRCK
JOHAN BJÖRCK پیش 4 روز
What I think that we see here is a forgotten way of political discussion. It is in its essence a step away from the mass media (or if you like established medias) handling of the modern debates. As Christopher Lasch points out in his book The Revolt of the Elites (1994) "By current standards Lincoln and Douglas [debates of 1858] broke every rule of political discourse. They subjected their audiences, which were as large as 50 000 on one occasion, to a pain staking analysis of complex issus." This somewhat shares the likeness in the manner in which this debate was handeld. At-least in my opinion the admirable complexity and philosophical nature of the conversation still manages to draw the attention from a larger crowd is hopeful and says a whole lot of the sate of todays televised debates has come to. As Lasch continues "The contrast between these -- justly famous debates -- and present day debates in which the media defines the issues and draw up the ground rules, is unmistakable and highly unflattering to ourselves. Journalistik interrogation of political candidates -- which debates has come to -- tends to magnify the importance of journalist and to diminish that of the candidate. Journalists ask questions, prosaic preditical questions for the most part, and press the candidate for prompt specific questions, reserving the right to interrupt when ever they appear to stray from the prescribed topic."
John Doe
John Doe پیش 4 روز
The audio is so quiet :(
JDub
JDub پیش 4 روز
This crowd sucks.
Vancouver Terry
Vancouver Terry پیش 4 روز
Let me repeat a reply I make to a commenter below: I think you'll find that people suffer LESS in capitalist heirarchies than in all other heirarchies EXCEPT FOR when capitalism reaches outside of its capitalist heirarchy to suck wealth out of other societies, either by outright colonialism, or by initially innocuous-looking foreign investment (including that being presently done by China). The same concentration of wealth happens in other societies where there is some degree of surplus, either inherent to the bounteous resources of the society, or taken out of other exploited societies. As Peterson points out, the problem of wealth concentration is actually WORSE AND MUCH MORE OF AN UNSOLVED PROBLEM than all this simplistic blame of capitalism; rather, it's a mathematical principle having to with iterative trading, and I see that same mathematical accumulation happening in socialist, communist and Maoist societies as well. It looks different, it's described differently, but it's the same thing. I've met all sorts of people who were raised in socialist, communist, and Maoist societies, and it certainly looks to me that it hasn't done them any good at all. My Russian tutor years ago, a lawyer from Moscow who had been trained as a U.N. translator for French and English, was of the opinion that communism was "an evil system". Bright as he was, and he had A LOT going for him, he couldn't handle the show-up-on-time, get-your-head-into-the-job demands of the West and went back to bankrupt Russia after the Soviet collapse. A psychologist I knew taught the upper echelons of post-Soviet psychiatry the snake oil she was selling, and she said of the top tier resorts where the trainings were held that it was almost impossible getting the staff to do simple things like moving a teapot from room 7 to room 4. She said that workers looked at their jobs as life sentences that they had to endure, not as roles where they had to get things done and be of service to other people. There was a saying about work back then "they pretend to pay us, and we pretend to work". I remember a worker's tell-all story about Soviet employment starting out "We make, in our factory, many useless things, ineptly designed and shoddily manufactured. We make, for example, lamp shades . . . .". I've interviewed Soviet-era workers for jobs in Canada and found that the more intelligent they are, the more the only thing they can say about working in a socialist system is a more intelligent description of why it's impossible to get anything done -- the Marxist-based system is so hopeless. But such Marxist glories are the direction our brilliant activists of today are taking us. Peterson, like UNBIASED, TRUTH-SEEKING others who have TRULY STUDIED these questions, knows all this, so don't be too quick to say he doesn't make sense -- speaking from what I know, I'd suspect an accurate summary-type opening statement from him goes over many people's heads.
quang lê
quang lê پیش 4 روز
Zizek has a thick accent ! I barely understand what he says !
madjunac
madjunac پیش 4 روز
Citizens! We have Samson, the Sadduce Strangler, Silus the Assyrian Assassin, several seditious Scribes from Caesarea, we have... Life of Brian, to whom it may concern
Muddy Witch
Muddy Witch پیش 4 روز
“To read something you don’t just read the words you take apart the sentences” (Paraphrasing here!) If I did that with every book I read, I’d be reading that book for months! Peterson (and other such academics) must be very fast readers indeed!🥴
Vancouver Terry
Vancouver Terry پیش 4 روز
Peterson has tremendous processing speed, a necessary part of his exceptional intelligence (IQ 150). I've spent time analyzing some videos of his where his speed of processing is evident in how he handles questions from the audience or in an interview or debate and to my eyes, his speed of processing is tremendous. People's brains are different in that respect much like an 8th-generation I7 processor is immensely faster than a 286 computer from 1990. So what he reads quickly, he'd also read much more deeply than a normal, or even highly intelligent person would. I read slowly, slower than the average person, but I take apart sentences as I do, and rework my entire knowledge base on the spot when something has to be added or adjusted. That's the way to learn -- it's been studied and there's no doubt about that. I've read studies, for example, about the differences in depth of learning and understanding among medical students, and it's the ones that do the type of reading I am describing (although they'd do it faster than I do it, as most everyone is faster than I am) who learn the deepest and understand the material best. I read about 50 years ago (seriously -- I have by clinical standards an exception memory) that some of the dangerous errors that were almost made in JFK's administration were attributed by some analysts to the fact that speed reading had been encouraged within their ranks. I read that in a popular book about good reading habits, not written by an expert in foreign affairs or in a peer-reviewed research paper, so I can't say it was authoritative, but that's what that one book said. A motivational lecture I listened to in the late 80's said that another (uncited) study found that people who read one book on a subject slowly ended up knowing the subject better than others who speed-read six books on the same subject. So I'd say beware of speed reading unless you have enough processing speed and enough working memory to analyze it IN DEPTH as you go.
Strictly Music
Strictly Music پیش 5 روز
Lol my ex was a postmodernist and a marxist
Tristan Pepper
Tristan Pepper پیش 5 روز
Sounds pretty based
Ged Kenny
Ged Kenny پیش 5 روز
I thought zizek would be a complete and utter tool ! But i liked him and agreed with most of what he said. Good stuff
Eternal Tao
Eternal Tao پیش 5 روز
I can't listen. The communist is just not understandable.
Big J
Big J پیش 5 روز
It’s pretty amusing to hear the crowd cheer when this slobber hound speaks poorly about Trump. It’s amazing to me how easily people can be manipulated. I still haven’t quite figured out if it is due to stupidity or some form of mass hypnotism, maybe it’s both. Apparently when rats are subjected to certain sound waves they become violent. It’s possible that Lester Holt blathering the same lies thousands of times has the same effect.
Felix Garcia
Felix Garcia پیش 3 روز
@Big J Actually in the rest of the World basically both are seen right winged and im a leftist so both are bad for me.
Big J
Big J پیش 5 روز
There is no bitterness in what I said, it’s strange to me that you see it that way. The media complex has not said one good thing about Trump and not one bad thing about Biden. I doubt either of the two are perfect, which means you have been manipulated, I have not, but you have. None of that has anything to do with bitterness.
Tristan Pepper
Tristan Pepper پیش 5 روز
Your bitterness is palpable
D Legionnaire
D Legionnaire پیش 5 روز
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You might think the dislikes are because of disagreement with certain points of view, but I can assure you a big chunk of these is due to the low audio level.
David Boggs
David Boggs پیش 5 روز
Translated: "if you give me all of your everything to the point of your own misery, only then can you be happy" . Socialists want to watch the world burn because of the shame resulting from their own affloholism.
Mario Mene
Mario Mene پیش 5 روز
Zizek is the Sylvester the Cat of Marxist Looney Toons.
Ryan Kelly
Ryan Kelly پیش 6 روز
JP: Natural problems necessitate organization, so therefore we must organize hierarchically because obviously there is no other way of organization.
Ryan Kelly
Ryan Kelly پیش 6 روز
JP's first argument makes no sense. Marx says the capitalism causes suffering through a heirarchy he calls the class struggle. JP says thats wrong because humans have always created hierarchies. That does not address Marx at all, nor does it disprove the idea that capitalism causes suffering through those hierarchies. It just says something about the origins of the heirarchy called the class struggle.
Vancouver Terry
Vancouver Terry پیش 4 روز
I think you'll find that people suffer LESS in capitalist heirarchies than in all other heirarchies EXCEPT FOR when capitalism reaches outside of its capitalist heirarchy to suck wealth out of other societies, either by outright colonialism, or by initially innocuous-looking foreign investment (including that being presently done by China). The same concentration of wealth happens in other societies where there is some degree of surplus, either inherent to the bounteous resources of the society, or taken out of other exploited societies. As Peterson points out, the problem of wealth concentration is actually WORSE AND MUCH MORE OF AN UNSOLVED PROBLEM than all this simplistic blame of capitalism; rather, it's a mathematical principle having to with iterative trading, and I see that same mathematical accumulation happening in socialist, communist and Maoist societies as well. It looks different, it's described differently, but it's the same thing. I've met all sorts of people who were raised in socialist, communist, and Maoist societies, and it certainly looks to me that it hasn't done them any good at all. My Russian tutor years ago, a lawyer from Moscow who had been trained as a U.N. translator for French and English, was of the opinion that communism was "an evil system". Bright as he was, and he had A LOT going for him, he couldn't handle the show-up-on-time, get-your-head-into-the-job demands of the West and went back to bankrupt Russia after the Soviet collapse. A psychologist I knew taught the upper echelons of post-Soviet psychiatry the snake oil she was selling, and she said of the top tier resorts where the trainings were held that it was almost impossible getting the staff to do simple things like moving a teapot from room 7 to room 4. She said that workers looked at their jobs as life sentences that they had to endure, not as roles where they had to get things done and be of service to other people. There was a saying about work back then "they pretend to pay us, and we pretend to work". I remember a worker's tell-all story about Soviet employment starting out "We make, in our factory, many useless things, ineptly designed and shoddily manufactured. We make, for example, lamp shades . . . .". I've interviewed Soviet-era workers for jobs in Canada and found that the more intelligent they are, the more the only thing they can say about working in a socialist system is a more intelligent description of why it's impossible to get anything done -- the Marxist-based system is so hopeless. But such Marxist glories are the direction our brilliant activists of today are taking us. Peterson, like UNBIASED, TRUTH-SEEKING others who have TRULY STUDIED these questions, knows all this, so don't be too quick to say he doesn't make sense -- speaking from what I know, I'd suspect an accurate summary-type opening statement from him goes over many people's heads.
william magnusson
william magnusson پیش 4 روز
Maybe im wrong here but wasnt the point to jps concern that because marx seemed to attack capitalism so strongly that because of his actions could one assume that he didn’t really see the entire picture which is that hierarchical values existed outside of it and therefore to blame capitalism so fundamentally would be like blaming the logs you are trying to make a fire with for being wet and not recognise there exists something called rain.
H. Jay Eshelman
H. Jay Eshelman پیش 6 روز
I just finished watching it. It’s not that Peterson demonstrated his understanding of, and the superiority of, free markets - as much as Zizek demonstrated his near total misunderstanding of, and the inferiority of, everything else, including free markets. This is why Peterson is the optimist and Zizek is the ultimate ‘horrified’ pessimist. Life (the ‘unbearable reality’) scares the hell out of Zizek because he can’t imagine anyone has control of it, or even some of it, in the same way it frightens many young, impressionable people. That free-market supporters are not so much alarmed by life (i.e. the prospect and changing nature of ‘equality’, controlled or otherwise, e.g. acceptance of risk) is what adds to their fear. Peterson’s point of view was, as they say, muddied because he was wrestling in what turned out to be the pseudo-intellectual swamp of psychoanalyzing people who ‘line up their god damned coke cans’ at the supermarket or use ‘German toilets’.
H. Jay Eshelman
H. Jay Eshelman پیش 5 روز
​@White Walker If you can't imagine the tenants of free markets, you can't determine whether or not they are beneficial, to anyone. Zizek was economically incoherent, and, at the end of the discussion, focused himself as an apologist for being a progenitor of the ill treatment of Jews during the 1930s and 40s, much like his fellow eastern European, who was also born just after WWII, WEF founder Klaus Schwab does. The extent of their confession of sins can only be matched by their insistence that we all confess to being human (like them) and, therefore, inherently capable of unspeakable evil , as their forefathers were. Misery, afterall, enjoys company. And if history is any indication, Zizek, Schwab and Socialists everywhere, will do everything they can (e.g. the Great Reset) to justify their continued existence at our expense. This phenomenon is exceeding the realm of mere transparency, accountability, and responsibility. There’s got to be more to this pervasive behavior, now more visible than ever in the public spotlight of our schools and in government. I suspect it’s becoming evident almost everywhere if we take the time to look. I know I’m rethinking my part in this discussion. This adherence to Socialism appears to be more a symptom of Clinical Depression, the mental disorder brought on by stress, embodied by a lack of motivation, difficulty making decisions, low self-esteem, guilt, anxiety, sadness, hopelessness, and irritability. How else can anyone be triggered into such self-destructive behavior? “Depression isn’t contagious in the same way the flu is, but moods and emotions can spread. Have you ever watched a friend laugh so hard that you started laughing? Or listened to a co-worker complain for so long that you started feeling negative, too? In this way, moods - and even depressive symptoms - can be contagious.” Those who are finding themselves attracted to the pessimism of Marxist tenants, the assertion that individuals are inherently evil, especially those who can’t bring themselves to trust anyone, should be introspective. I don’t see them as the enemy. But they may need professional help. Really. I’m serious. Before they unintentionally harm someone other than themselves.
White Walker
White Walker پیش 5 روز
It's not about "being able to imagine" it, it's about whether or not this kind of thinking is actually beneficial to society at large.
Thomas Williams
Thomas Williams پیش 6 روز
It would be very very helpful to have closed caption. His infatuation with his nose was distracting me to no end. I think he was saying interesting things.
Gluten Free Bread
Gluten Free Bread پیش 6 روز
You can see the disappointment and even disgust in Jordan’s face when the crowd cheered after he said “bloody revolution”. It’s Sad some people can be so devoid of empathy.
Karl Marx
Karl Marx پیش 3 روز
Lmao
P A
P A پیش 6 روز
I have a profound feeling of debt that I feel I could never settle after listening to this fascinating conversation. Hopefully a simple "thank you" to both will be a small repayment. If it were within my means, I would attempt to lock these two gentlemen in a suitably comfortable room for as long as it takes to write a Manifesto of Humanity.
Days Of Elijah
Days Of Elijah پیش 6 روز
I am glad Zizek mentioned China's economic miracle. But that exactly proves Peterson's point that capitalism is THE best system that we human being is capable of coming up with to solve the economic inequality and development dilemma. China's economy was on the verge of collapsing when Deng Xiaoping started the so called economic reform. Why he needed reform? because years of planned economy as envisioned by the Marxists had failed miserably. The all good proletariates just could not provide bread and of course freedom, let alone happiness to its people. Communism is an evil ideology. If you don't believe it, then take a look at Cuba or Venezuela.
Felix Garcia
Felix Garcia پیش 3 روز
It feels like you are disproving yourself
gruntydatsun
gruntydatsun پیش 6 روز
God this Zizek guy is one of the most boring passive aggressive lawnsprinklers I've ever suffered though hearing. A constant string of cheap shots and back handed comments in the key of Daffy Duck.
TheLiberalRedPill
TheLiberalRedPill پیش 7 روز
"You don't rise to a position of authority that's reliable in a human society primarily by exploiting other people. It's a very unstable means of obtaining power, so [audience jeering] so that's a problem. [Pause] Well, the people who laugh might do it that way." [laughter, applause] Classic!
TheLiberalRedPill
TheLiberalRedPill پیش 5 روز
@Miguel Pereira He's making a couple of points. 1) If you raise to power by means of force and coercion it is unstable, and it's likely that you'll also loose power by force or coercion at a future time. 2) The people jeering have a perception of the world that force or coercion is the only way to gain power which Peterson disagrees.
Miguel Pereira
Miguel Pereira پیش 5 روز
I don't get the argument. Does Peterson believe Feudal Societies were meritocratic?
No One
No One پیش 7 روز
Žižek literally filled water bottles with his spit and Peterson drank it...
Bruno Oliveira
Bruno Oliveira پیش 7 روز
You guys should co autor a book
Kiran Khan
Kiran Khan پیش 7 روز
2:14:20 Zizek: I'll give you an example of this argument - yourself. Audience: ooOooooooOoohhhHhhhh Seriously, this audience belongs at a stand-up comedy show, not at a profound philosophical debate.
Gabriel Quirino
Gabriel Quirino پیش 7 روز
The best part about this is that the audience is trying to react to something that isn't happening.
Marielle Gervais
Marielle Gervais پیش 7 روز
Shame on the Munk debates. You lost me halfway through your first presenter. Attacking people personally like that?
Ussurin
Ussurin پیش 7 روز
45:22 - there's a fundamental misunderstanding on how socialists define being poor. They don't think in any realistic terms, just in their own class vision of society. For them being poor isn't being able to feed, cloth and entertain yourself with a decent security in it, but by comparision to rich. As long as everyone won't be equal in property, there will be always poor in the eyes of socialists. The least fortunate of all can be owners of whole planets, where they have absolute authority and everything they desire, yet if there is a person owning a galaxy, the socialists will advocate for violent revolution. Cause they don't care about well-being of people. They care that someone has.more than them and they hate that.
Meowageddon
Meowageddon پیش 7 روز
1:55:00
embraceky
embraceky پیش 7 روز
Zizek is just so brilliant
Charlie Bounds
Charlie Bounds پیش 7 روز
That cocaine is kicking his ass
Darth Shuaidar
Darth Shuaidar پیش 7 روز
They should have done this as a pure conversation with no crowd
Zooman
Zooman پیش 3 روز
Revenue. Yes. The anti capitalist profited from ticket sales.
The Bonk-a-Lonk
The Bonk-a-Lonk پیش 7 روز
It's bad that im to stupid to understand how to be happy. I don't understand 80% of what these guys are saying but the other 20% hits hard
Paulbearer L
Paulbearer L پیش 7 روز
I’ll be honest, this is no laughing matter, this debate and I’m 30 minutes in, resembles a comedy show, way too much laughter and it feels like a fake almost insecure response on behalf of the crowd, humanity has a long way to go. We are real clowns!
1OldPacman
1OldPacman پیش 7 روز
drinking game: take a shot everytime zizek touch his nose
Matt Roy
Matt Roy پیش 7 روز
The real winner of the debate here is the audience
Joey Loco
Joey Loco پیش 7 روز
It’s absurd that the leaders of countries have the audacity to preach about “equality”, “fairness”, ending poverty, and racism, when they all still recognize “Royalty”. (What few hoard wealth and land and get others to fight their wars without any of their benefits? Who do people think invented “classes” and mastered the deceptive art of propaganda? Makes so much sense for mainstream news to cover Royalty in one segment and then BLM in the next. The same politicians and celebrities reaping attention about inequality fall over themselves for an invite to a ridiculous Royal wedding. Disabled veterans, children living in poverty,, and the elderly are constantly tossed aside for more important issues like transgender bathroom access and making abortions essential.
Martulas
Martulas پیش 7 روز
"try to think for yourself": audience claps and whistle "even trump is not a fascist".... silence I must say Žižek is most civilized marxist i have seen.
YellowCactusTv z
YellowCactusTv z پیش 4 روز
@Martulas I have no idea what you mean by that
Martulas
Martulas پیش 7 روز
@YellowCactusTv z And when i was marxist?
YellowCactusTv z
YellowCactusTv z پیش 7 روز
Every marxist is infinitely more civil than any capitalist will ever be
nathan Tyrrell
nathan Tyrrell پیش 7 روز
This is less a my arguments are better than yours both have great arguments that should be listened to.
Derp pa De derp derp
Derp pa De derp derp پیش 7 روز
When meth addict and opiate addict argue
NerdThatHitUrMom
NerdThatHitUrMom پیش 7 روز
Somebody get that man a handkerchief
Trey Charles
Trey Charles پیش 7 روز
I'd be more than happy to listen to this, but I refuse to listen to that man speak for more than a couple minutes.
divanola
divanola پیش 8 روز
why would I listen to sclhlhlhlhpeaker who can't overcome a simple speech impediment?
Ella A
Ella A پیش 6 روز
if you refuse to listen to one’s argument just because they have a physical impediment then maybe YOU are the problem. mind over body, asshole.
Jason Mariner
Jason Mariner پیش 8 روز
Hiring a neurotic pervert that's almost impossible to take seriously as the primary popularizer of Marxism in the west was a rather smart move on the part of the capitalist elites.
grumman 3 2 1
grumman 3 2 1 پیش 8 روز
Make a new video,Do a voice over on zizek i really respect them both although I lean heavy towards peterson. Its hard to listen to zizek. I've heard this from many of my classmates and friends. The letters f, x ,s, v , r , z ,q, and p. Granted not his language it is difficult to listen with 100 percent attention to what and not how he is saying it. There i said it. Again no disrespect just all the spitting sounds make you feel like he's covered in druel by the end of this.
timoth88
timoth88 پیش 8 روز
I thought he said "just a few words of introduction"...
Anthem TD
Anthem TD پیش 8 روز
Why wouldn’t you just cut the first 7 and a half minutes of nothing out at the beginning?
Stray
Stray پیش 8 روز
Zizek is a breath of fresh air in the neoliberal vs conservative war zone.
Historia Antiqua
Historia Antiqua پیش 8 روز
Slavoj Zizek. The only man in the world who went to Sorbonne but refers to it with its anti-elite post-revolution "Paris 7." An American once walked through Sorbonne and put it on his CV.
Outlaw
Outlaw پیش 8 روز
Lambargo!